<div dir="ltr">Very important that Rabbiner Fogel defined precisely what the Kinyan accomplishes - "<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">the supermarket would bear responsibility for any goods that subsequently were damaged."</span><div>
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">But there are other considerations which may well be deemed Kanuy to the purchaser even BEFORE he has paid; for example, someone snatches from his cart a bottle with a cap that carries a random prize. There is almost certainly a Chiyuv BeDinei Shamayim and very likely BD would enforce either formally or informally that the winning prize goes to the fellow who had it in his cart.</span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Or as I intimated earlier, this lady has in her cart the last couple of packages of this product, let's say KLP Coke. </span></div>
<div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">So in regards to damage the items belong to the supermarket but in regards to other considerations the purchaser is already deemed to be in control.</span></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><br>Best,<br><br>Meir G. Rabi</div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Arie Folger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:afolger@aishdas.org" target="_blank">afolger@aishdas.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">RMR wrote:<br>
> If someone did take something from your cart do you really imagine you'd<br>
> have<br>
> recourse to a court or a beis din?!<br>
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To which RLK responded:<br>> However, taking them from another person should still be assur because<br>> of v'ahavta l'reiacha kamocha, no?<br>
<br clear="all"><div>which is totally beside the point, since we were discussing when someone is koneh stuff he buys at the supermarket and conequently who bears the cost of damages if something happens to the wares. Now since before paying at the checkout, one customer could not sue another fellow in beis din for having grabbed a pack of chocolate from his cart, it follows that the chocolate still belonged to the supermarkt despite the first fellow having been moshekh and magbiah the merchandise. That was meant as an argument to explain that as long as one didn't pay, the supermarket wasn't makneh yet, so the supermarket would bear responsibility for any goods that subsequently were damaged.<br>
<br></div><div>All that just to explain, but personally, I have no stake in this discussion, I own no supermarket, do no home deliveries, take no sides, and happily follow along what others post.<br><br>Kol tuv,<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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