<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><<My objection started with an argument based on realia against qitniyos</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">and an argument based on historical olive sizes against current shitos</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">defining the kezayis. The argument could be more or less valid, and I</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">think it takes someone who did shimush and whose rebbe found him ready</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">for "yoreh yoreh" to decide.>></span><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">I am confused. The argument for doubling the size of olives began with measurements</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">of the Nodah BeYehuda that he claimed showed a contradiction between the tefach and beizah sizes. He rejected the possibility that men grew and the olive remained the same because we cant be larger (greater?) than chazal. Hence, he whole premise is based on logic and measurements and not mesorah.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">The claim is that we cant disagree with this because of the Mesorah???</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style><font face="arial, sans-serif">Over the years many gedolim including RMF did their own measurements of the amah and beitzah.</font></div>
<div style><font face="arial, sans-serif">I once read a story that they had discovered an ancient mikvah and the Steipler Rav went to measure its size.</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style>
<font face="arial, sans-serif">As to kitniyot the claim of RMF is that only certain items were included in the gezerah and that is determined by minhag. So want cant add new items based on realia</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">BTW the shiur of CI as is is a physical impossibility since 500x500 Amah does not fit</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">into the current Har Habayit (doesnt miss by much). I saw a psak in Piskei Teshuvot that we need to add some 2% to CI's shiur since there are various smaller and larger tefachim and we dont know which one these refer to (the difference between the large and small tefach is about 2% according to most rishonim). Of course this makes the shiur more impossible to fit into har habayit.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Does that mean we ignore all realia and blindly accept every chumra to even the CI shiur?</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">BTW I am currently reading an interesting book on RSZA. He claims that RSZA relied on living mesorah rather than book knowledge as distinct from the theories of Haym Soloveitchik and others about the movement to book knowledge. One example is making eggs and onions on shabbat. RSZA starts off by stating that his mother and grandmother did it and it is impossible that they were mechallei shabbat and so he has to defend the permissibility<br clear="all">
</font><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000099" face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif">Eli Turkel</font></div>
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