<div dir="ltr">Post slightly edited to (a) accept the Moderator's complaint, and to reflect urther private channel additional info.<br><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 30, 2013 4:02 PM, "Meir Rabi" <<a href="mailto:meirabi@gmail.com" target="_blank">meirabi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">On the contrary, IN SPITE OF THE FACT that they were entitled to Pasken as they please re Rosh Chodesh, and consequently which day is YKippur, nevertheless, he did not insist that they eat and make a LeChaim to compel compliance; how much more so in a case where this special power is not given to BD i.e. to Pasken and make a determination even when they know it is wrong.<br>
</div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My dear friend, pardon me, but this is, eh, how should I say, a shtikl unconvincing . R'Yehoshua' was asked to transgress the deOraitot of hotzaah,
as well as whatever travel entails, so what if he wasn't asked to drink
lechayim, too?<br></div></div><br>RMR replied that R' Yehoshua'<br>> was asked to do those things which permitted him to easily avoid<br>> transgressing anything, even in the slightest."<br><br>... to which I replied: Check the tosefta and ask yourself why only R'Akiva's
response calmed him down. Obviously, he was asked to do something which
was a transgression. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">RMR then replied:<br>> He was not just upset for himself, he was concerned for the
entire<br>> community. Rabbi Akiva's answer calmed him because he thereby<br>> knew that the community would not be doing the wrong thing<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">To which I replied: I do not think that it makes sense that he would have been
asked to do something which proves nothing. The whole point was for him
to show he accepted the psak.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">To which RMR replied:<br>> The point was to diffuse a potentially extremely divisive showdown<br>> in
which I think it is safe to assume, the general community was<br>> in favor
of the renegade. So it was a show, and it succeeded in<br>> averting a uprising
or a revolt and still permitted him to maintain<br>> the Halacha as he
understood it</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">To which I replied:<br>1) But if so, why did RY not want to go?<br>2) That was the argument of Benei Beteira. R'Yehoshua' was unhappy with that.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Then, the day got really going in Australia, while it was well into the night in Germany, so we didn't continue our interchange, but I am sure that RMR has also arguments to defend his perspective, so do not conclude that I had the last word, unless he says so.<br>
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