<div dir="ltr"><<<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">By starting with the assumption that science and empirical reality are</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">the important yardstick, one unnecessarily creates problems. Let's say</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Chazal are interested in refining souls, and science (or Natural Philosophy)</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">has nothing to do with it.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">It's not that we ignore certain scientific realia. It's that we do not</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">look at the scientific realm altogether. Which goes hand-in-hand to</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">assuming that chazal spoke at times in scientific metaphor, and weren't</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">discussing science altogether.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">What we care about is refining human souls, not abstract info about the</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">world in which they live.>></span><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Halacha deals with this world and not just refining souls.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Lice is the easy case</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">There are many harder cases. . According to halacha one is not mechallel shabbat for a fetus in the 8th month (even as late as MB was mekil in the beginning of the 9th). Today science knows of no such thing as a 7 month pregnancy - the longer the better ie 8 months is better than 7 months.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Does Micha hold that we ignore scientific realia and still not save an 8th month fetus on shabbat?</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Note that Michat Yiotzchak indeed says so but as far as I know he is the only one. He finds a technical out in that we dont really know that a fetus is in the 8th month unless the father was away and home only for a few days. - of course with modern pregnancy tests one can know shortly after conception </font></div>
<div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000099" face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif">Eli Turkel</font></div><br>
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