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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">RLK wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">: Further, if the room was fully dark without
the<BR>: LEDs and they gave off just enough light to avoid tripping over
something<BR>: on the floor, that would also presumably be enough light. Most
LEDs, even<BR>: small ones on electrical devices, would provide this level of
light.<BR>RMB noted:<BR>There are cars with LED headlights. LEDs can be quite
bright. The<BR>tealights in question are comparable to real
ones.</FONT><BR><BR>CM responds:</DIV>
<DIV>Both RLK and RMB have basically responded: Yes, these LEDs give off plenty
of (enough) light. In my post I posited this as a fact threshold which RMB
has answered in the affirmative. RMB responded that there are some types of very
bright LEDs. RLK responded that even the small LEDs typically used on audio and
electronic equipment (power on etc.) give off enough light so you would not trip
in a dark room. In my experience perhaps in the immediate vicinity (say 5-6
inches) from the LED there is some illumination but this falls off very rapidly.
I would ask if in fact the level of illumination is discussed by the poskim wrt
ner Shabbos, whether extremely low and very local (within a few inches) levels
of illumination suffice for Oneg Shabbos (and therefore for ner Shabbos)? </DIV>
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<DIV>Kol tuv</DIV>
<DIV>Chaim Manaster</DIV>
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