<div dir="ltr"><span style>A while back there was a discussion about attitudes towards the death of </span><span style>young children with some claiming that in olden days it was taken for </span><span style>granted while others claimed that it was still painful.</span><br style>
<br style><span style>I just saw a halachic discussion of this on a recent daf yomi (Nidah 23) </span><span style>from Rav Stav of Har Etzion. </span><span style>He brings a contradiction between two gemarot about whether parents have </span><span style>pain (tzaar) on the death of a "nefel" (under 30 days). </span><span style>He gives two answers which might be relevant to the discussion</span><br style>
<span style>1) there is pain at the time of burial but it subsides over time in </span><span style>contrast to the loss of an older son/daughter whose pain never diminishes.</span><div><br></div><div>Obviously this is relative and some people may weep over the loss of an infant for many years. Nevertheless I unfortunately know of several families that lost a son or daughter in their teens and twenties. They never really get over the loss. The secretary of our department lost a son in a flash flood and changed her family naes to include the name of her son. A member of my shul lost a son in a battle in Jenin and has said kaddish for him for years. I don't think the loss of a nefel is felt to the same degree. I have a relative that lost an infant due to crib death. Baruch Hashem he now has 11 children with several grandchildren. I assume the parents think of the loss of their infant but it isn't to the same degree I just presented for a 20 year old.</div>
<div><br style><span style>2) there is a difference between a father who is pained less by the loss of </span><span style>a "nefel" and the pain of the mother who is more effected</span><br style><br style><span style>BTW </span><span style>Rabbi Stav </span><span style>quotes a recent book he recently wrote "ka-chalom yauf" dealing with the </span><span style>loss of a pregnancy. </span><span style>Does anyone know anything about this sefer?</span> </div>
<div><div><br></div><div>Slightly different I went to a shiur last night from Ezra Bick from Har Etzion on surrogate motherhood. Bottom line he feels that this is one of the few cases where there are no sources in Chazal for the basis of a psak (he brought the few that are mentioned by poskim and rejected them) . Hence, he felt that a psak should be done on general grounds rather than a specific precedent. Similarly to (2) above he took it for granted that there is a difference between the father and the mother based on their connections to the fetus. So he would have fatherhood determined by genetics but motherhood determined by the carrier during prebnancy, i.e. the birth mother.<br clear="all">
<div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000099" face="'comic sans ms', sans-serif">Eli Turkel</font></div><br>
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