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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">On 13/06/2012 12:55 PM, hankman wrote:<BR>>
I am not much of a mequbal so it is safe to say I have never heard of this idea
of ?progressive revelation.? If I intuit the meaning correctly then I have a
major problem with this concept. Based on the hashkafot I was taught, this idea
would be heretical grade A. Torah was revealed to man but once at Sinai. At any
later time any claim for a new or additional revelation is false and any person
making such a claim is per force, even if he is a known navi, a navi sheker and
to be punished as such. This seems to me to be squarely at odds with the idea of
progressive revelation. Whereas ?Torah lo bashomayim hi? fits neatly with the
hashkofot as I was taught, progressive revelation does not. What am I missing
here?<BR><BR>RZS responded:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Then what is nevuah? "Vezot Hatorah" means no
new *halachot* can<BR>be given. But secrets of Torah can be revealed. After all,
"Torah<BR>chadasha me'iti tetzei".</FONT><BR><BR>CM responds:</DIV>
<DIV>First in case there are any with the misconception that there is a pasuk in
Yesheiahu (51:4) that reads <FONT face="Times New Roman">"Torah chadasha me'iti
tetzei" they should know that no such pasuk exists. (I know, RZS never said it
was a pasuk). The pasuk actually reads: </FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman">"Torah me'iti tetzei." The word “chadasha” is an
interpolation of the medrash. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">I did a couple of searches on this phrase and
it turns out that for the most part so far as I can tell this question has been
repeatedly asked wrt this concept of “Torah chadasha” as well. (This phrase
appears most often in the writings [based solely on my several computer
searches] of Lubavitchers). But the reference time frame is almost always
“l’osid lavo” or “yemos hamoshiach” etc. but not bezmaneinu. Our discussion was
the nekudos as we know them today. Also we could call that the hilchos
pronounciation for our time, so this IS “halachot.” As far as “secrets” of Torah
being revealed, they generally assume this refers to a more in depth
understanding of ta’amei hamitzvot. Some also use this concept to explain the
change in ruling like Beis Shammai l’osid lavo, as he was more in tune
with the higher meaning of the mitzvot while Beis Hillel was more firmly planted
on terra firma.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>I also googled “progressive revelation” and the large majority of the
hits were either Christian or Bahai web sites.</DIV>
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<DIV>Finally, “nevuah” is firmly rooted in commands of the Torah, and is not to
be seen as an attempt to add HV”S to the Torah. It is a command to believe and
obey the commands of a navi – not to create a Torah chadasha. They can only be
of a temporary nature and not a new mitzvo ledoros (unless of course it is as
takonos) and valid even if they temporarily countermand an express command of
the Torah – but clearly based on the Torah as given miSinai.</DIV>
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<DIV>Kol Tuv</DIV>
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<DIV>Chaim Manaster</DIV>
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