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<div>Once the timer is off - it is not heating actively - will never go back on - I would put in the Challos to warm </div></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">
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<div>I would also put the food back freely - if somebody will come late. </div></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">
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<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>SHAVUOS - ELECTRONICALLY CONTROLLED THERMOSTAT - LEAVING IT ON ENTIRE YOM TOV - PUTTING THINGS IN AND OUT </div>
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<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>The practice is to forbid it and I cannot recommend it - it is too close to the border. </div>
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<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>ON THE OTHER HAND See Kontresei Shi'urim - Rav Gustman in Ksuvos on Psik Reisha - i</div>
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<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>If a candle is cut from the bottome- Machlokes Rosn and Tos - the machmir stringent says you are "extinguishing" future burning. </div>
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<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>My reading - check if you agree - that an indirect cause extrinsic side action - either lighting it or putting it out would be permitted. </div>
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<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>Therefore - contrary to the Strictest Standards - opening a refrigerator - even when the thermostat is off causes no problem. </div>
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<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>FOLKLORE HAS IT - a "brilliant" student piped up - "BUT IN CHAZON ISH IT SAYS IT IS FORBIDDEN"</div>
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<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>THE RAV G answered: Those [overly stringent] Eretz Yisrael Rabbanim - if they could they would forbid drinking water!! </div>
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<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>To which someone added: Three things now of necessity to be a Jew - Gefiltered water, Gefitered internet, and Gefiltered fish! [smile icon]</div>
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