<div dir="ltr"><div><ol><ol><ol><ol><ol><li><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="1">Zev - I glanced in RAAVAN - in the new edition Part 2 of Deblitsky - included in bkumecha is the entire process of morning hygiene. Included in Resting is everything after a normal laborer comes home for the night. That is why Kohanim come to eat their Trumah is relevant. I would then closely read the Raaviyah. </font></li>
<li><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="1">Sliding latitude scale - 30 degrees north is where normal people live - Eretz Yisrael or Florida. as we close in on the Arctic Circle, people keep their eight hours of rest, but the sun rises at wildly different times according to the seasons. Salmas Chaim suggested that the Zman cannot fight the people - when it is the unanimous feeling of all. Pri Yitzchak did not use this svara. </font></li>
<li><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="1">Sliding scale on schar after sunrise - the more you are part of the day renewal experience the more you get schar! The more of the day is gone - the more "the sun was just up there". You get less inspiration and less schar. After half the morning, arguably the most used time of the day - You are in a different time zone - a whole different wave length - so you missed it. AO interest is the geonim on saying Shma the fourth hour, or until chatzos, or all day.</font></li>
<li><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="1">According to several angles, women are also obligated in Shma, despite its time based status. Kontresei Shiurim - Rav Gustman - on Eino Mtzuveh v'oseh - says it becomes like Maariv amidah for men - a "general obligation" rather than a localized specific one. It can be overcome by unusual circumstances. </font></li>
<li><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="1">He also proves that once they do the Mitzvah - its Kiyum has full status. </font></li><li><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="1">IMHO - if you heard Birkat Kohanim from one "uncalled" Kohein- the Kuyum is complete. The penalty for not doing it is what is different. </font></li>
<li><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif" size="1">The standard "they accepted upon themselves with a personal neder making it a chiyuv" never became comprehensible to me. At best it becomes like Lo sisgod'du. </font></li>
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</span></div></span></blockquote><span><div><span><br></span></div>Message: 6</span><br><span>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:01:26 -0400</span><br><span>From: Micha Berger <</span><a href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org" target="_blank">micha@aishdas.org</a><span>></span><br>
<span>To: The Avodah Torah Discussion Group <</span><a href="mailto:avodah@lists.aishdas.org" target="_blank">avodah@lists.aishdas.org</a><span>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Avodah] When do princes say shema</span><br>
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<br><span>On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 09:59:20PM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:</span><br><span>> While I'm on the topic of things that have puzzled me for a long</span><br><span>> time, can someone please explain when princes are supposed to say</span><br>
<span>> shema?</span><br><br><span>Perhaps the kings and princes who wake up at the very end of the time</span><br><span>range aren't the Jewish ones? We're just looking for the normal time</span><br>
<span>range for waking up -- not necessarily the normal time for people who</span><br><span>say Shema wake up.</span><br><br><span>Tir'u baTov!</span><br><span>-Micha</span> <br clear="all">
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