<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>--- On <B>Tue, 4/10/12, Chana Luntz <I><Chana@kolsassoon.org.uk></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=plainMail> RHM replied:<BR><BR>>Once again: Sipur Yitzias Mitzrayim is a D'Oraisa for women (MItzvah 21 in<BR>the Chinuch).<BR><BR>Well my reading of the Minchas Chinuch is that he actually disagrees and<BR>holds it is only d'rabbanan, see there. I am not sure that anybody else<BR>does though.<BR><BR>> 'Af Hein Hayah B'Oso HaNes' is not a Sefora that is used for D'Oraisos. It<BR>is used for D'Rabbanans - like the Daled Kosos.<BR><BR>The Minchas Chinuch does assert this, and indeed this is one answer given in<BR>Tosphos (Megilla 4a "af hen") - to the question of why we need to learn out<BR>the chiyuv of eating matza from the prohibition on chometz, won't af hen<BR>b'oso hanes do, but I am not sure it is so pashut. Tosphos itself there in<BR>Megilla brings, in the name of Rabbanu Yosef Ish Yerushalayim, an<BR>alternative reason - ie we might have learnt the gezera shava tes vav, tes<BR>vav that women should be exempt
(which would suggest that indeed af hen<BR>b'oso hanes does give rise to d'orisas)... (the rest deleted for brevity - HM)</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>I am awed by your Bekius. Even thoughh you've showed it many times here on this list on may different subjects, it still never fails to amaze me.</DIV>
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<DIV>My source was not taken directly from the Chinuch or the Michas Chinuch. It was from a secondary source - Torah L'Daas (TLD) on Moadim by Rabbi Matis Blum. I was therefore not aware that aside from questiong the Chiunch - the MC also asserted that Sipur Yetzias Metzrayim for women is a D'Rabbanan.</DIV>
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<DIV>Now that you mentioned it - I now kind of recall that the Gemarah that uses 'Af Hein' as a reason for mandating a D'Oraisa that women are normally exempt from because it is a MASHZG. </DIV>
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<DIV>But I believe that it is generally accepted that 'Af Hein' is reserved mostly for D'Rabbanans.</DIV>
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<DIV>Also, the Kehilas Yaakov is not necessarily the definititve answer to the question. It is however the answer I saw in TLD - and I liked it. That you could so easily 'Shlug it up' testifies to your keen ablities in Limud HaTorah. Very impressive!</DIV>
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<DIV>HM</DIV>
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