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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2
face=Arial>From: "Jonathan Baker" <A
href="mailto:jjbaker@panix.com">jjbaker@panix.com</A><BR><BR>> [2] It
is not true that people feel no instinctive revulsion at <BR>>
father-daughter incest. On the contrary, what Lot did with his
daughters is <BR>> considered something shameful and disgusting, and
the daughter who named her child <BR>> "Moav -- from Father" -- is
condemned as particularly brazen. [--TK]<BR><BR>>>Actually, the
evidence you cite, that it is condemned, attests exactly the<BR>opposite of what
you want to prove. Lot's daughters was a natural act,<BR>for stated
reasons. It is condemned BY THE TORAH, which DEFINES incest<BR>as an
illegal act. So Lot's daughters are prima facie evidence that <BR>incest
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face=Arial>In fact, the Gemara in, I think, Shabbos, somewhere in the 80s I
think, <BR>says that Bnei Yisrael cried over their [forbidden] relations when
they<BR>were given the Torah, because now those relationships were defined
as<BR>forbidden.<<<BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR> name: jon
baker <BR>
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<DIV>No not natural, they had to get their father drunk before he would commit
such an act. And their stated reason was that there were no other men in
the world -- otherwise they never would have done such a thing. And Lot's
daughters had no obligation to keep the Torah, so they would not have been
condemned as brazen for failing to keep the Torah. It is not even
forbidden as one of the sheva mitzvos! But it is nevertheless considered
an ugly and shameful act which even goyim would find shameful.</DIV>
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<DIV>There is no case in the Torah where an Israelite married or had a
relationship with his daughter. Avraham married a half-sister (not
stated in the text though), Yakov married two sisters, Yehudah married his
daughter-in-law yibumically, Amram married his aunt. One could imagine the
Jews being upset at finding out that these relationships will not be permitted
in the future, but nowhere is there a hint of a suggestion of anyone marrying or
wanting to marry his own daughter.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT><BR><FONT color=#0000ff><STRONG>--Toby
Katz<BR>=============</STRONG></FONT><BR><FONT color=#0000ff>Romney -- good
values, good family, good
hair<BR><BR><BR>-------------------------------------------------------------------
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