<div dir="ltr">zev writes<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The whole topic of mesirah is more complicated in Israel because the</span><br style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">issur is mesirah *legoy*. Even if one considers the medinah and its</span><br style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">legal system as "goyish", and all its officers as "dinam kegoyim", I</span><br style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">doubt that this can be applied to these laws. Just as the most fanatical</span><br style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">anti-zionist will concede that one is still obligated to give tzedaka to</span><br style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">a poor zionist, and to save a drowning one, he will surely concede that</span><br style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">one may be alone with a zionist, and take a haircut from one, and therefore</span><br style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">that it's at least plausible that there is no issur of mesirah to one.>></span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif">EY is certainly more complicated. Rav Elyashiv among others agrees that mesirah </font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">is not a problem in EY. I am not sure if it because of Zev's suggestion or rather he holds that all </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">modern governments are just and so mesirah doesnt apply.</span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif">The complication arises because of the opinion of the Ran that seems to imply that dina </font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">demalchusa doesnt apply in EY. I use the phrase "seems to apply" since many people hold that the Ran is not advocating chaos in EY where everyone can do what they want in the absence of a Sanhedrin. Perhaps other dinim of the rights of a community apply.</span></div>
<div><div><br></div>-- <br>Eli Turkel<br>
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