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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>From: Zev Sero <zev@sero.name><BR>> The whole difference
between modern and ancient science is that<BR>> ancient science rested on
authority while modern science relies on<BR>> experimental
evidence.<BR><BR>And exactly what experiment would you conduct to test whether
the<BR>celestial bodies are intelligent?<BR><BR><BR>Zev
Sero <BR>zev@sero.name
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<DIV>You could try and teach them some tricks and see if they learn
anything.</DIV>
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<DIV>This is silly and overly literal, but I would like to suggest another way
in which it is possible that the sun and the moon could be intelligent, and
could talk to Hashem. </DIV>
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<DIV>("Two kings can't both share the same crown" "Fine, moon, I'll make
you smaller!" Moon: "Hey, no fair!" "OK well I'm sorry, how
about if I give you a gazillion stars? Will that make you feel
better?" "Not really" "Ok then I'll have My people Israel count
their months by your light, and I'll also have them bring a korban to 'atone'
for what I did to you. Now do you feel better?" "Well maybe, just a
little." "OK my final offer is, when Moshiach comes, I'll make you big
again." "Deal!")</DIV>
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<DIV>What I am thinking is that there is an angel or a sar or a spirit of some
kind for each and every creature, and that the spirit of the sun and
the spirit of the moon could be intelligent and could talk. Lacking
bechirah, they couldn't really be jealous or angry or upset or pacified as
humans could, so you would still need some degree of metaphorical explanation to
interpret that conversation, but they could certainly be intelligent.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT><BR><FONT color=#0000ff><STRONG>--Toby
Katz<BR>================</STRONG></FONT><FONT lang=0 color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_____________________
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