<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML xmlns:st2 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:st1 =
"urn:schemas:contacts"><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.17102" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">In continuation of my previous post to Chana
Luntz, my brother (R. Prof.) Dov Frimer writes:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">
<DIV>Aryeh, we already anticipated this in our WPG article around footnote 26-
or more accurately the Rav did. See RHS, Eretz Hatzvi pp 96, at length,
where the Rav explains that an eved has only <EM><STRONG><U>miktzat</U></STRONG>
keddushat yisrael</EM> - and therefore has certain partial OBLIGATIONS - while a
woman has <STRONG><EM>complete</EM></STRONG> <EM>kiddushat yisrael</EM> with
partial EXEMPTIONS. While the bottom line may be similar with regards to the
performance of mitzvoth aseh shz״g, the starting points are at exactly opposite
poles. (It is like the question whether the day and a half shitah for YT Sheni
in Israel is one day with chumros or two days with kolos.) The Rav gives an
interesting nafkah minah: women can make a berakha on MAShZG according to
Rabbenu Tam; Avadim cannot even according to RT. See ad loc. RHS's rather
lengthy footnotes. </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--------------------------------<BR>Dr. Aryeh A.
Frimer<BR>Chemistry Dept., Bar-Ilan University<BR>Ramat Gan 52900,
ISRAEL<BR>E-mail (office): <A
href="mailto:Aryeh.Frimer@biu.ac.il">Aryeh.Frimer@biu.ac.il</A> or <A
href="mailto:FrimeA@biu.ac.il">FrimeA@biu.ac.il</A><BR>E-mail (home): <A
href="mailto:FrimerA@zahav.net.il">FrimerA@zahav.net.il</A><BR></FONT></FONT>-----
Original Message ----- </DIV></DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=frimera@zahav.net.il href="mailto:frimera@zahav.net.il">Esther and
Aryeh Frimer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Chana@Kolsassoon.org.uk
href="mailto:Chana@Kolsassoon.org.uk">Chana Luntz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=avodah@lists.aishdas.org
href="mailto:avodah@lists.aishdas.org">avodah@lists.aishdas.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:03
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: She-lo Asani Isha</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">DEar Chana,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"> See the sources below who
say explicitly what I cited, namely that an eved does not have the same
level of kedushat Yisrael as a woman.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"> <SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><STRONG>R.
Ben-Zion Meir Hai Uziel</STRONG>, Resp. Mishpetei Uziel, old ed.: III, H.M.
sec. 3; new ed.: IV, Inyanim Kelaliyyim, sec.4. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes">
<STRONG>R. Joseph B. Soloveitchik</STRONG>, cited in: R. Zvi Schachter, Erets
haTsvi, sec. 12, no. 12, pp. 96-97; in R. Menachem Genack, Gan Shoshanim, sec.
4, p. 10; and in Reshimot Shiurim, Shavuot-Nedarim II, R. Zvi Joseph Reichman,
ed. [New York, 5756], Shavuot 30a, p. 7, end of note 12, p. 8, s.v “Shoneh
ha-ishah,” and pp. 9-10, s.v. “Mistaber eifo,” and note
14.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes">
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes">For
similar but somewhat different formulations, see <STRONG>R. Elhanan Bunim
Wasserman</STRONG>, <I>Kovets Shiurim</I>, <I>Kiddushin</I>, secs. 142-144;
<STRONG>R. Menashe Klein</STRONG><EM>, Mishne Halakhot</EM>, <I>Mahadura
Tinyana</I>, III, sec. 83; <STRONG>R. Isaac Tuvia Weiss</STRONG>, cited in
<I>Birkhot haMitsvah keTikunan</I>, p. 476. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes">
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes">As
clarified by R. Ben-Zion Meir Hai Uziel and R. Joseph B. Soloveitchik,<SPAN
style="POSITION: relative; TOP: -3pt; mso-text-raise: 3.0pt"> </SPAN>the
<I>mitsvot </I>were issued to the nation of Israel as a whole, men and women
alike. Accordingly, both men and women possess an equal degree of “<I>kedushat
Yisrael</I>,” Jewish sanctity.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But
despite sharing the general obligations of <I>Kelal Yisrael </I>(corporate
Israel), women were granted a particular and individual exemption from the
performance of time-determined commandments.
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes">
An eved is not a full member in corporate Israel and has therefore only
received partial mitsvot. </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes">
For further discussion, See: <SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: HE">“Women's
Prayer Services: Theory and Practice. Part 1 - Theory,” Aryeh A. Frimer and
<st2:place w:st="on"><st1:Sn w:st="on">Dov</st1:Sn> <st1:Sn
w:st="on">I.</st1:Sn></st2:place> Frimer,<I> Tradition</I>, <B>32:2</B>, pp.
5-118 (Winter 1998). PDF File available online at: <A
href="http://www.jofa.org/pdf/Batch%201/0021.pdf">http://www.jofa.org/pdf/Batch%201/0021.pdf</A>;
HTML file available at: <A
href="http://www.daat.ac.il/daat/english/tfila/frimmer1.htm#start">http://www.daat.ac.il/daat/english/tfila/frimmer1.htm#start</A>;
Word file available at:</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: HE">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: HE"><A
href="http://mj.bu.edu/rsrc/MailJewish/MjReaderContributions/WmnSrvRev15-1.doc">http://mj.bu.edu/rsrc/MailJewish/MjReaderContributions/WmnSrvRev15-1.doc</A>.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: HE">
<STRONG>- </STRONG></SPAN><STRONG><FONT size=4>text at note 26
ff</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><STRONG></STRONG></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes">
kol Tuv</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes">
Aryeh</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Miriam; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-no-proof: yes"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>