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<font size=3>At 03:09 PM 7/3/2011, R. Akiva Miller wrote:<br><br>
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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I *did* look at the URL. And
with all due respect to Rav Gifter zt"l, I don't see where his
explained himself adequately. He gave examples of Zionists who were
murderers, and even examples of high-ranking zionist who were willing to
murder to advance the goals of Zionism. But that does not convince me
that the goals of Zionism are wrong, or that "Zionism is a
curse".<br><br>
It is entirely possible that the goals of Zionism are praiseworthy, and
that *other* Zionists who would find ways of reaching those goals in
proper ways. I did not see anything in that article to suggest
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The following if from
<a href="http://www.stevens.edu/golem/llevine/rsrh/zion_or_zionism.pdf">
<font face="arial" size=4><b>Zion or Zionism: Rav Shimon
Schwab</a></b></font><font size=3> <br><br>
On the other hand, truth compels us to state<br>
unequivocally that most certainly Zionism is not at all<br>
identical with Judaism, that in fact it is diametrically<br>
opposed to it. Zionism is a political philosophy which<br>
considers the divine Nation of the Torah a nation like all<br>
others, albeit with certain religious traditions which you are<br>
free to accept or to reject as an individual, and which may<br>
or may not become part of the law of the Jewish land,<br>
subject to a majority vote of a democratic parliament.<br>
Zionism has transformed the holy land, the holy tongue, the<br>
holy nation into secular entities, according atheists and<br>
anti-religionist Jews at best equal status with firm believers.<br><br>
Please see the rest of this article for more. YL<br><br>
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