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<DIV>In a message dated 6/24/2011, llevine@stevens.edu writes:</DIV>
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Rn Katz, what she wrote reflects the disconnect between Torah learning and
Torah living that Aharon Hersh Fried writes about in his article at <A title="http://www.hakirah.org/Vol 6 Fried.pdf" href="http://www.hakirah.org/Vol%206%20Fried.pdf" eudora="autourl">http://www.hakirah.org/Vol%206%20Fried.pdf</A>
<BR><BR>For many, being observant focuses on the mitzvos bein Adam
LeMakom and the mitzvos bein Adam L'chaveiro are often treated as being of
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<DIV>I never said anything about frum = bein adam laMakom and ehrlach = bein
adam lechaveiro. I don't agree with that formulation at all. </DIV>
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<DIV>Frum is basically observant of ALL mitzvos. I'm just defining the
normal, traditional use of the word.</DIV>
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<DIV>Of course it is a fact that we ALL sin. Any frum person might well be
occasionally lax in BOTH the mitzvos that are BALM as well as BALC -- for
example, many a frum person lets his mind wander while davening and doesn't
daven every single tefilla with perfect kavana. </DIV>
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<DIV>And ehrlichkeit, too, can refer to both categories of mitzvos, though
admittedly "honesty" will usually refer more to BALC. OTOH, eidelkeit --
refinement -- will usually refer more to BALM. But categories tend
to blur and overlap. (For example, if a person habitually
uses four-letter words when speaking, is that BALC or BALM?)</DIV>
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