<div>"I always thought that it is a mitzva to be ethical, honest and have<br>integrity. "V'asita hatov v'hayashar" for starters. So how can it be that<br>being honest and ethical is outside the definition of being "frum" if you<br>
define frum as "keeping the mitzvos"?</div>
<div>David I. Cohen</div>
<p>>>>>EVERYONE sins, but if he keeps the basics he is frum.</p>
<div>Frum just means observant, Orthodox. It is not a synonym for righteous<br>and perfect in all taryag mitzvos, though it would be a wonderful world if it<br>were. I am just defining the word in its common, long-time usage." (SNIP)</div>
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<div>Toby Katz"</div>
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<div>I am not sure what "observant. Orthodox." means. </div>
<div>I do think that no one uses either term to indicate that a person never commits an aveira. The terms, however defined, speak of beliefs coupled with how the person generally acts. They define what a person believes and how he generally leads his life based on those beliefs. </div>
<div>To be more specific, I think what you are trying to get at with the concept of "frum" (forgive me for putting words in your mouth) is that frum represents a category of behavior that makes us and our lifestyle separate from the world at large e.g. head coverings (men and women). talit, tefillin, davening, shabbat, kashrut etc.etc. </div>
<div>I also think that that is the very reason that the term sometimes can have a derogatory connotation. It leaves out much of halachic requirements. It highlights the externally objective criteria, while not considering the just as important subjective areas of halacha.</div>
<div>IOW, frum can be positively descriptive --- but we need to recognize that it is only part of the story.</div>
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<div>Shabbat shalom</div>
<div>David I. Cohen</div>