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<DIV><FONT lang=0 color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>From: "kennethgmiller@juno.com"
<kennethgmiller@juno.com><BR>Old TK: > Personally I wish we could
all just be normal, wear skirts<BR>> below the knee and not wear stockings at
all except when we<BR>> want to look dressy.<BR><BR>RAM: (I'm trying to
think of a respectful way to phrase this, without much success. Please don't be
offended.)<BR><BR>Am I to understand that if a posek defines "shok" as going to
the ankle, you would not consider his followers to be "normal"?<BR><BR>Akiva
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<DIV>You mistakenly think I am dissing the other side, when in fact I am equally
dissing my own side. I am saying that my own side -- the charedim, the RW
-- are forced to wear hot sticky stockings which we are all now stuck
with because it became das Yehudis aka the community norm. Transparent
skin-tight stockings -- is that normal? Could any body part that /really/
has to be covered be covered with a transparent skin-tight covering? It's
obvious to me that those who require stockings, and then permit them to be
transparent, at some deep level, don't /really/ believe that legs have to be
covered. (Those who require thick tights -- that at least makes some kind
of sense -- not that I'd ever want to actually dress like Satmar or Meah
She'arim ladies. If I have to wear stockings, I prefer to follow the psak
that doesn't really make sense, and wear transparent ones.)</DIV>
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<DIV>Do I consider women -- in any camp -- to be "abnormal" if they follow
their own poskim? No, of course not! But the present-day psak (in both
camps) is not what normal used to be. Wearing skirts to the floor and
wearing stockings 24/7 are both new norms, not the old norm. (Unless you
want to go back to the 19th century for "the old norm," and consider the entire
20th century an aberration. Well, I guess you could make that
case.....)</DIV>
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<DIV>I wasn't saying, "I wish women would ignore their poskim." I was
saying, "I wish poskim in all camps would change their psak." No
harm in wishing, is there? It's not as if I'm chas vesholom actually going
to go shopping without stockings any time soon.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT lang=0 color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"><BR><STRONG>--Toby Katz<BR>================</STRONG></FONT><FONT lang=0 color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_____________________
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