<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">R Sh Z is explaining why our
drinking water is Kosher for Pesach use even though our reservoirs have had
Chamets added to them during Pesach. We would expect that such water ought to
be prohibited according to the rule that food contaminated with Chamets during
Pesach will be Assur no matter how minute the proportion of Chamets; thats the rule of Afilu
BeElef Lo Battel.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">R Sh Z explains that
since the proportion is so tiny that it can not be discerned by anyone, it is
in fact Battel.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">This means that R Sh Z
understands that when Chazal say Afilu BeElef Lo Battel, they mean although it
is well below the proportion that is usually Muttar, a special Chumrah has been
imposed that nevertheless prohibits it. However, there MUST be SOMEONE, and there
may only be one such person in every generation, the expert wine taster who can
sample hundreds of samples and discern which fields the grapes were grown in;
who can discern the Chamets in the water. But when there is NOONE who can
discern the flavour of the Chamets, then the water is permitted. A reservoir is
so vast that we can assume that there is no human who can discern the Chamets in
it and it is therefore KLP.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">So in normal Issurim when
we use the guide of taste we are NOT using this singular expert taster, we are
relying on the chefs who have a slightly elevated sense of taste. This has been
reduced to a rule of thumb, 1:60, Shishim. So even where it is humanly
discernible by the singular expert tasters, it is nevertheless Kosher since the
mixture is Battel BeShishim.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Does this not demonstrate
that in Bittul of 60 we DO have the possibility that it may be discernible by
human tasting and yet it is Battel? R Micha I don’t understand why you say, “I
don't see where you get that [i.e. we DO have the possibility that it may be
discernible by human tasting and yet it is Battel] from what you cited besheim
RSZA.”</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"><br></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black">R Micha also said, “<span class="apple-style-span">I understood RSZA
to be saying the reverse -- bitul be1000 does not work for pesach, but if the
one-in-a-million taster could verify it has no taste in the taaroves, it would
be batel. IOW, that the rule of thumb is not sufficiently reliable”</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">But I don’t see it that
way. Firstly, if the ROTh is NOT sufficiently reliable, then why bother making
a new measure of 1:1000. Use the old rule of 1:60 and say, it is NOT reliable
for Pesach and any food possibly contaminated with Chamets is Assur UNLESS “the
one-in-a-million taster could verify” that no taste is discernible.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Secondly, the rule of
thumb is that Bitttul does NOT work for Chamets during Pesach, this means that
there is No Bitttul EVER. At least that it is the way it is understood by those
who store water BEFORE Pesach to use during Pesach, so that it WILL be Battel.
It is this argument that R Sh Z is demolishing. He re-defines Bittul BeElef: it
does NOT mean that there is NEVER a Bittul, it means no Bittul as long as it is
humanly discernible. So when we are sure that it is NOT humanly discernible,
then we may use it.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Accordingly, foods cooked
in clean factory machines, which many argue are so massive that they are more
than Shishim of the foods they are used to cook, (we can also consider the boiler water which is contaminated with non-K foods) and therefore make any foods
cooked in them non-Kosher, when they are BYoman; in fact are really Kosher
since there is no human capable of discerning any non-K taste in the cooked
food.</span></span></p><p></p>