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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>RET wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>However, R Elyashiv disagrees. He says that since the pilot thinks he
is<BR>killing the enemy and doing a mitzva he can't be considered a
rodef.<BR><BR><FONT face=Calibri>CM comments:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I think the classical case of the "innocent" rodef is
that of the fetus that puts his mother's life at risk mishna in Ahalos 7,7 and
the gemara (San. 72b) differentiates that it is mishamaya ka radfi lah. The
principles at play are ain dochin nefesh mipnai nefesh (and when it becomes a
nefesh) and rodef in the analysis of the difference where the fetus has, or
has not, already pushed out its head. Does R. Elyashiv explain why a
<STRONG>mistaken</STRONG> mitzva makes a difference - why is that any better
than an innocent rodef?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>There has been much ink spilled on this sugia so I won't
try to put my two cents in. But I would point you to several (of
many) lengthy and explanatory shuts and divrei torah on the subject from
various recent and earlier achronim that came up from a simple search on
Bar Ilan CD using the terms uber and rodef.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>1) Shut Noda B'Yehuda Mhadura tnina Choshen Mishpat
siman 59</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>2) R. Chaim Halevi on Rambam H. Rotzeach perek 1,
halacha 9</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>3) Igros Moshe Y"D chelek b siman 60</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>4) Sridai Aish Sanhedrin siman 40 (see also his
shut)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>5) shut Yachel Yisrael siman 123</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>6) shut Shevet Halevi chelek 9 siman 266</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>7) shut Yabia Omer chelek 4 Even Ha'Ezer siman
1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>8) shut Tsitz Eliezer numerous references</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>9) shut Chavos Yair siman 31</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Kol Tuv</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Chaim Manaster</FONT></DIV>
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