<div dir="ltr"><<As I understand it, the territories that were conquered by war have<br>
kedusha only so long as we're living there. But the territories that<br>
were granted to us by the goyim have permanent kedusha. I remember<br>
seeing a map that showed sort of a butterfly-shaped area, roughly<br>
equivalent to Judea and Samaria and a mirror image of it to the east<br>
of the Jordan River, and said that was the extent of the return in<br>
Persian times. >><br><br>I am not sure what map this is. As far as I know the area that was Jewish in the times<br>of Ezra and Nechemia was Jerusalem and its immediate surroundings. Most of the<br>area in Bayit Sheni was conquered by the Hashmanoim kings. The status of these <br>
lands seems to be in dispute.<br><br>In terms of disputes it is practically impossible that there was no machloket until the<br>days of the "zugot". We know that there was a machloket whether David was fir to be<br>
king being a descendant of Ruth the Moabite. Thus, according to some opinions the<br>entire descendants of Ruth were not eligible to get married, not a minor concern.<br><br>Tanach tells that there were long periods when Avoda Zara was dominant in Judah<br>
and Torah learning almost disappeared to the extent that portions of te written Torah<br>were unknown (presumably outside a very small circle).<br><br>I recent attended an archaeology retreat. One of the talks was on the incidence of pig bones<br>
in Israel. It seems that it was quite common in Samaria but quite rare in Judah. My<br>understanding is that according to archaeologists the Northern and Southern kingdoms<br>were fundamentally different and not just questions of individual kings that worshiped<br>
idols or visited the Temple in Jerusalem <br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eli Turkel<br>
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