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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>From: menucha <A href="mailto:menu@inter.net.il">menu@inter.net.il</A><BR><BR>a kallah who is
modern orthodox from birth is marrying a son of a jewish<BR>mother and non
jewish father. They were told that the chatan's name in<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>the ktuba would be written as (names are being changed) David ben
Malka<BR>bat Dov, i.e him the son of his jewish mother, who is the daughter
of<BR>dov her jewish father.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>The chatan is distraught at the thought of his father not
being<BR>mentioned, and by the fact that this is not "the normal way of writing
a<BR>ketuba".<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>There are definitely issues here of not getting the chatan "turned
off<BR>to judaism" etc.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>does anyone know of any piskei halacha on this issue, or have an idea
of<BR>a Rav who would be worth discussing this with?<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>one idea which came up is by using the names of both parents for
both<BR>bride and groom.<BR>aviva bat reuven veleah, and david ben malka
vechristopher.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>any leads would be
appreciated.<BR>thanks<BR>menucha<BR><BR><BR></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>If they are American, you could have an English ketubah and the English and
Aramaic don't have to be the same. You could mention both fathers (or all
four parents) in the English ketubah, and it could be very pretty with lots of
flowers and flourishes around the border. The eidim (or anyone you wanted
to honor, really) could sign the English one, too. If you think the father
is going to be listening closely during the reading of the ketubah in Aramaic,
maybe you could even have the reader drop the father's name into
the reading -- without actually writing his name on the real ketubah. I
don't know the halacha here, but do you /have/ to read the ketubah as
written? I seem to think they do some kind of similar shmuchel with a
kallah who is not a besulah but doesn't necessarily want to advertise that fact
to all the guests.</DIV>
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