<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Moshe Y. Gluck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mgluck@gmail.com">mgluck@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
R' David Riceman:<br>
<div class="im">"Ein menahamim es ha'adam b'sha'ah shemeiso mutal l'fanav". If the<br>
gentleman was really in distress, it may not have been the best time for<br>
this discussion.<br>
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The classification of an event as mercy or justice is not an objective one,<br>
but a subjective one. As you correctly note, it can change depending on how<br>
wide your perspective is. My experience is that wider perspective makes<br>
events seem more like mercy. As evidence I cite the above ma'amar Hazal;<br>
distress narrows a person's horizons, making him less able to take the wider<br>
perspective which may make him realize that something was really good, and<br>
thus less able to accept nehamah.<br>
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I disagree; the classification of something as mercy or justice is<br>
objective. We may not - and generally do not - have the facts necessary to<br>
be able to correctly analyze it. Your experience notwithstanding, sometimes<br>
"zooming out," so to speak, makes events seem _less_ like mercy.<br>
I also disagree with your last sentence, above. Or, at least, the<br>
implication I'm reading into it - that if something ultimately leads to a<br>
good result then it is "really good." It is not, usually, so - it might be<br>
more accurately described as something that happened that is really _bad_<br>
but that had a good result coming as a result of it, anyway.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>When you punish your son or send him back to his room after bedtime, are you doing it as a loving father or as a just father? Your son, from his limited experience, sees this as a dichotomy; we, who have the breadth of understanding and experience to know that setting and enforcing clear limits is the greatest chesed a parent can perform for a child, do not see the conflict. Perhaps your son is even able to recognize that being sent back to bed is a bad thing but that has a good result coming out of it, but in the time of his distress he is unable to recognize that the punishment itself is done out of love.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The metaphor can be extended much further as well.</div><div><br></div><div>KT,</div><div>Michael</div></div>