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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial><BR>From: Micha Berger <A href="mailto:micha@aishdas.org">micha@aishdas.org</A><BR>: </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>Old TK: : My father (R' Nachman Bulman, for newbies) held that it is
assur to enter <BR>: a C or R sanctuary for any reason. He, and much
of the RW Torah world, <BR>: sharply disagreed with RYBS and parts of the
MO world on this issue...<BR><BR>RMB: FWIW, in general, RYBS was
pretty machmir on this stuff. Many in the RW<BR>world would agree to using a
catering hall owned by a non-O synagogue;<BR>he would not.</DIV>
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<DIV>TK: My father did not permit the use of a catering hall in
a non-O temple either, and he would not enter a non-O temple or synagogue
building at all, not even to attend the Orthodox wedding of frum relatives in
the social hall. <BR><BR>Old TK: Personally R' Bulman dealt with
numerous individuals, probably thousands <BR>: over the years, who had
serious family conflicts with non-O relatives, non-O<BR>: simchas and occasions,
visits home to non-O parents and so on. He guided <BR>: them step by step
as to what to say and how to behave in order to be <BR>: mefayes their
disgruntled relatives. But bending on principle was not part of<BR>: the
allowable spectrum of reaction to these painful family
situations...<BR><BR>RMB: It can be seen as a chumerah in kibud av va'eim,
not "bending".<BR><BR>TK: The idea that kibud av ve'eim overrides halacha
is contrary to Chazal. Rashi explicitly addresses this question on the
pasuk "Ish imo ve'aviv tira'u ve'es Shabsosai tishmoru; Ani Hashem Elokeichem."
"A man (each of you) must fear his mother and his father, and keep my Shabosos;
I am Hashem your G-d" (Vayikra 19:3)</DIV>
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<DIV>Rashi there says, "The Torah juxtaposed Shabbos to awe of one's father, to
teach that even though I commanded you regarding awe of one's father, if he
tells you to profane the Sabbath, do not listen to him, and THIS IS TRUE WITH
REGARD TO ALL THE MITZVOS. 'I am Hashem your (pl) G-d.' You AND your
father are obligated to honor Me, therefore do not listen to him to nullify My
words."</DIV>
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<DIV>After a hundred and twenty years, believe me, a father will not look
back and say, "How wonderful that my son honored me, even to the extent of
sinning befarhesya just to please me." That will not be his
father's kovod in the olam he'emes.</DIV>
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<DIV>By suggesting that attending services in a C cong /might/ be permissible
for kibud av ve'eim, you are already conceding that attending services in a
C cong might be permissible, period.</DIV>
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<DIV>For if you grant that it is not permissible, you cannot claim that kibud
ve'eim makes permissible what is forbidden, as we have just learned from
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<DIV><FONT lang=0 color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"><BR><B>--Toby Katz<BR>==========<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"></B>--------------------</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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