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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">ZL:</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">>
> *"Yom" in the context of the Creation account not meaning
a
regular day has<span style=""> </span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">>
> no such mesorah. On the contrary, the mesorah is clear
that it is [no
longer than] a<span style=""> </span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">>
> regular day....</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">RMB: >We've
debated this numerous times. And I still believe you're
mistaken.<</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">And
despite my quoting-- </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">1.
Chagigah 12a that on the first day Hashem established the
length of the day and
the length of the night,</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">2. Rav
Saadia Gaon that a prophet claiming that Hashem created the
world literally in
one year is contradicting the Torah and is a false prophet</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">3. The
Kuzari who dismisses the Indian belief, that they had
antiquities and buildings
millions of years old, as contra our tradition (rather than
reconciling the
evidence by interpreting the sixth day as an era of
Adam/"mankind"</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">4.<span style=""> </span>The Ibn Ezra
defining "yom echad"
to the turning of the sphere</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">5. The
Rambam (MN </span></b><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">2:30</span></b><b><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family: Arial;">), as I will elaborate.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">6. The
Ramban insisting that "</span></b><span style="color: black;">the
days
mentioned in <i>Ma’aseh Breishis</i> were, in the creation of
the heavens and
the earth, literal days, composed [not of years and millennia,
but] of hours
and minutes, and they were six, just as are the six days of the
work-week</span><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial;">" (maybe he was countering how
some mistakenly took the Rambam--that he meant that only the
first day was
meant literally; or maybe his talmid RY of Akko, who positied
that each day
consisted of thousands of years)</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">7. The
Rambam's son (who takes the word "yom" in </span></b>the
verse
(Breishis 2:4)<span style=""> </span>“…the day Hashem
fashioned the Heavens and the Earth” to mean a period (namely a
week). He says
that here the word “day” cannot be taken in its conventional way,
because the
fashioning of the Heavens and Earth took place over a period
lasting six days,
not just one. (Needless to say, if he thought the six days of
Creation were
already not meant as conventional days, the contradiction would
not have
arisen.)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"><span style=""> </span>8. Rabbeynu
Bechaya, 9. the Ralbag (first
intepretation), 10. Akeidas Yitzchak, 11. Abarbanel, 12.
Seforno, 13. Rabbbeynu
Ovadiah MiBartenuro--all of whom explicitly explain the 6
Creation days as
regular 24-hour type days of light and darkness and/or the
turning of the
sphere.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">--despite
these sources you had claimed that the majority, mind you, of
rishonim allow for
the creation days to consist of eons of time. And despite your
"belief" that I am mistaken, you still have produced not one
classical rishon who does so (and one RY of </span></b><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Akko</span></b><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> who posits
thousands of years
before the existence of our world).</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> All
this is with keeping in mind that the context of the “day”
issue is attempts to
reinterpret the pesukim to jive with the current view of
academia of our world
and its inhabitants having developed through evolution over
the eons of time
asserted. Yet even stretching the meaning of “yom” to mean
biliions of years,
the sequence of the creation process and the description of
what developed from
what in no way corresponds. <br>
</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">Yes, I am aware that you personally are
not
promoting this, but a view that neither academia nor we can
attempt to have any
idea at all of how the world developed. But this does not
correspond to the
commentaries—who vie with each other’s interpretations of the
pesukim to
determine the details of creation, <span style=""> </span>nor
to the teachings emphasized by the baalei mesorah--the Moreh
Nevuchim 2:17, Midrash Shmos Rabbah about Onkelos, and Ramban
in Torah Temimah citing this Midrash, neing only a few among
them, as detailed in another post.<br>
</span></b></p>
<b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><br>
ZL:
> > *The Rambam in Moreh Nevuchim (**</span></b><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">2:30</span></b><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">**) invokes the
unanimous position<span style=""> </span></span></b>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">>
> of---</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">>
> *[a]ll our Sages...that all of this [the creation of Eve
from Adam,
the<span style=""> </span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">>
> tree of life, and the tree of knowledge, and the account
of the
serpent]<span style=""> </span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">>
> took place on the sixth day.... None of those things is
impossible,<span style=""> </span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">>
> because the laws of Nature were then not yet permanently
fixed.*</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">RMB:
Neither is the concept of day possible because time wasn't
created yet.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;">I address
this in another post, which the subject line: Moreh Nevuchim
Part II Chapter
30.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial;"> </span></b></p>
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