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<DIV>:> In other words: According to my understanding, there are only
two<BR>:> circumstances under which the Torah allows a Jew to kill another:
(a)<BR>:> In the case where a duly-constituted beis din has sentenced someone
to<BR>:> death, and (b) To prevent a murderer or potential murderer from
murdering,<BR>:> and this includes lots of cases such as self-defense,
getting rid of a<BR>:> moser, and the like.<BR><BR>: 3. The beit din or some
other authority (therein lies another rub)<BR>: takes the power originally
allocated to the Jewish king to maintain<BR>: civil society.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>RMB responded:</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT>
<DIV><BR>Isn't that the same as (b)? Or is there a distinction I'm
missing?<BR><BR><FONT face=Calibri>CM speculates:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>The distinction could be quite simple (if my thoughts
are true to the halacha). The cases under b) all prevent some form of murder.
The cases under c) may be much broader in that they will include cases to
maintain civil order when the king deems necessary even if loss of life is not
expected, such as say a curfew on pain of death imposed to prevent mass
looting etc., or other such examples. (I know you can qvetch in a risk to
life here if you push it beyond my meaning).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Kol Tuv</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Chaim Manaster</FONT></DIV>
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