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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>> Drifting into Avodah territory, do you know where R. Yaakov said this, <BR>> as it contradicts a pretty clear Rema in OH, 142 that we do correct <BR>> mistakes that change the meaning of the words (contra the Manhig, who is <BR>> concerned about embarrassing the baal korei)?</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>R.ZS wrote:<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><BR><<Actually not contra the Manhig; the Ramo actually paskens *according* to the Manhig, as he's understood by the BY and most other poskim, i.e. that he's talking only about mistakes that don't change the meaning. Only the Bach understands him to be talking about all mistakes, and pretty much only the Bach paskens that way, that a baal koreh should never be corrected or made to go back. (The Chayei Adam and the Biur Halacha say that if the mistake was not realised until after leining was already over, so that correcting it would require reopening the sefer torah and making new brachos, then we can rely on the Bach.)<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><BR>The opinion contra the Manhig is the Rambam, who holds that one must correct for *every* mistake, even if it doesn't affect the meaning; and that is the way the Tur and the BY pasken.<BR><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><BR>(Thanks to a discussion on Mahpach a few days ago, I just looked up all of these.)>></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Thank you for the elaboration. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I confess that I based my comments on the AhS, because it is available online (</FONT><A href="http://tinyurl.com/32c6m7o"><SPAN style="COLOR: windowtext"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>http://tinyurl.com/32c6m7o</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">) and I was without other seforim at the time. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>The AhS quotes the Tur as follows: *The Baal Hamanhig wrote:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>if the reader, or the chazzan reading to him, erred, it is good not to correct him over his error in public, in order not to shame him, because even though he erred, he has fulfilled his obligation, as it is taught in the Midrash, that if he read Aharon as Haron, he has fulfilled his obligation.*</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>The Manhig, as quoted, does not qualify his statement.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, the AhS, in an attempt to harmonize him with the Rambam, states that the Manhig was talking about a mistake in taamei mikra, while the Rambam was talking about saying the wrong word.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The difficulty with this explanation is that Aharon to Haron is not just a mistake in taamei mikra, and although the AhS has an explanation for this, it is a bit forced.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Anyway, I am still surprised that R. Yaakov paskened like a daas yachid (i.e. the Manhig, as understood by the Bach) against the Rema and acharonim that you cite, which is why I asked where it recorded that he said this. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I do not have access to Emes l’Yaakov on SA.</FONT></P>
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