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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>RMB Wrote:<<A
different question -- was the Torah received on Shavuos, or on Yom<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Kippur?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Why are we
celebrating zeman matan Toraseinu is we weren't ready to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>truly accept it
until the 2nd luchos -- on Yom Kippur? And don't chazal<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>say that the
Torah associated with the first luchos was different in<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>kind, tht the
whole concept of TSBP starts with the 2nd luchos? (R'<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Chaim Brisker
famously discusses this notion.) So the Torah as we have<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>is isn't even
what was given on Shavuos!>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>*****************<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>Indeed, Rashi on the mishna at the end of taanis says matan
torah is YK “shenitnu bo luchos ho’acharonos”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>I recall the suggestion that Shavuos principally celebrates
TSBP – SA HaRav says of staying up Shavuos night “ikar ha’eisek
yihye b’TSBP”. This is related to the point made earlier in this
thread that the original Matan Torah was the day after Shavuos:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-Moshe’s adding 1 day “mida’ato” is
TSBP in action<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-MA relates this to YT sheni, which on the surface appears
a dochak. However, the observance of this din derabanan is again TSBP-related.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>BTW, the aruch hashulchan offer a beautiful interpretation
of the MA. He says that the Torah is of universal relevance and application. For
this reason the Torah doesn’t call Shavuos z’man matan torah, as it’s
not right to limit the Torah to one specific day. That’s the link to YT
Sheni; the Torah applies to Chutz La’aretz as well as Eretz Yisrael, just
like it was given in the midbar, not Eretz Yisrael.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>Having written the last paragraph, it occurs to me that the
Aruch Hashulchan’s point boils down to the same thing. It is the inherent
adaptability of TSBP that means it can operate in all places and at all times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>KT<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>SW<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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8.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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