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<p>In Avodah V27#122, R'Micha noted:<br>
> This in turn might be related to the Chassidim haRishonim and their initial refusal to fight with the Makabiim on Shabbos (Makkabiim I 2:39), although they did later join (v. 43). <<br>
Some analogies to pre-M'dinah and War of Independence situations (to name two which are in the ken of listmembers) may be drawn. <br>
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Mei'inyan l'inyan b'oso inyan: some have tried to suggest rationales for why great communities of Torah adherents were, lo aleinu, wiped out in recent times. I once heard an explanation, offered w/ trepidation, that those communities were insular and worked on improving themselves but not on helping their fellow Jews who lived outside the community's "walls," albeit nearby. My personal mnemonic for that explanation: one should be a ba'al chessed but not a chasidah (a "sheqetz"/non-Kosher bird which only helped its own kind [see RaShY on Vayiqra 11:19]). <br>
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All the best from <br>
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