<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=US-ASCII" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18904"></HEAD>
<BODY style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" id=role_body bottomMargin=7 leftMargin=7 rightMargin=7 topMargin=7><FONT id=role_document color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>From: Arie Folger <A href="mailto:arie.folger@gmail.com">arie.folger@gmail.com</A><BR><BR>There is a
simple resolution to your problem about whether or not the<BR>violation of a
local secular law engenders a 'hillul haShem. I think<BR>that we can pretty much
all agree that not putting a coin in the meter<BR>while parking for 10 minutes
is generally not a chillul haShem, nor<BR>double parking for thirty seconds
while offloading passengers in a<BR>quiet street. It should also not be
difficult to accept that to<BR>offload passengers on a busy street where such
stopping is disallowed,<BR>and for which legions of people idling behind your
car suffer, is a<BR>'hillul haShem.<BR><BR><BR><BR>....So, an action which is
either inherently inequitable or which, on<BR>account of having become law
reflects a widely held standard of<BR>appropriate behavior in a society, does,
when violated, engender a<BR>'hillul haShem. However, minor infractions, which
the legislator<BR>intends to overlook, which is generally not enforced, or
otherwise not<BR>even considered a real nuisance, do not engender any 'hillul
haShem.<BR>There are many borderline cases, and I don't think that incurring
a<BR>parking violation for which you may sometimes be fined, since
traffic<BR>wardens may fine people indiscriminately - lo plug ;-) -I don't
think<BR>such infractions would engender a 'hillull haShem insofar as they
do<BR>not contribute to a deterioration of societal standards.<BR><BR>....If the
idea of a common sense definition of a matter of halakhic<BR>import offends your
sensibilities, I apologize.<BR><BR>Kol tuv,<BR>-- <BR>Arie
Folger,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>>>>></DIV>
<DIV>Common sense not only does not offend my sensibilities, it quite appeals to
my....common sense.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I just want to comment on the "lo plug" and add that in addition to whether
it is a chillul Hashem to commit this or that parking infraction, one should
also take safety into consideration and therefore lo plug = do not park at a
plug. IOW not at a fire hydrant -- even if other people don't
mind.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(It's possible that this was exactly what RAF had in mind with his "lo
plug" and I apologize if I am stepping on his punch line! I try not
to step on other people at all, which reminds me: pedestrians have
obligations of courtesy too! Cue recent "midos" thread on
Areivim....)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><BR></FONT><B><FONT color=#0000ff>--Toby
Katz<BR>==========<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"></B>--------------------</FONT><BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><FONT lang=0 color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial><BR></FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>