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<p class=MsoPlainText>(rejected from Areivim and sent to Avodah) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>RDB wrote... Let it be said immediately -Torah Judaism is
*not* fearful of the possibility of running a State based on Torah and Halacha
..I have no doubt at all that a consortium of Rav Eliashiv, Rav Chaim Kanievsky,
Rav Zilberstein, Rav Asher Weiss, Rav Zalman Nechemia Goldberg, Rav Neventzahl,
Rav Simcha Kook, Rav Hershel Schachter etc, could tackle any issues based on Halacha.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I've always wondered how a Torah state would handle
criminal law.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>It's clear that monetary laws could run according to SA,
but it's also clear that criminal law could NOT run according to basic Torah
law.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>(very few rapists/murderers/thieves plan to do their
crime in front of 2 kosher witnesses)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>In order to prevent civil anarchy, one could not protect
society based on Torah criminal law, but would have to use the concept of
'makin v'onshin shlo min hadin'<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Is this a hefker principle? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Does every Bais din do what it feels like, with no system
rules or guidelines?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>If a Dayan decides to kill someone based on very flimsy
evidence, is there any recourse?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Or is there now a new secondary system put into place to
handle 'makin v'onshin shlo min hadin'<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>(with rules for evidence, sentencing guidelines, courts
of appeal, etc etc)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>..Basically a criminal justice system similar to the what
each nation has currently set up today<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>thoughts?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>btw, RDB pointed me to Tzitz Eliezer 19:51 who discusses
at length the concept of <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>'makin v'onshin shlo min hadin'<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Mordechai Cohen<o:p></o:p></p>
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