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<DIV class=plainMail>--- On <B>Sun, 3/28/10, Zev Sero <I><<SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1270231847_0 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">zev@sero.name</SPAN>></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=plainMail><A href="http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=T613K@aol.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:T613K@aol.com"><SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1270231847_1>T613K@aol.com</SPAN></A> wrote:<BR><BR>> (PS I agree with you in rejecting RZS's statement that "ein mashgichin bevas kol" has nothing to do with "lo bashamayim hi.")<BR><BR>See Be'er Hagulah. To the best of my recollection, what I wrote is there.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">The Gemarah in <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1270231847_2>Bava Metzia</SPAN> (59a) is pretty clear. It involves a question of Tumah with respect to a certain oven - the Tanur Shel Achnoi. There is a dispute between R' <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1270231847_3>Yehoshua</SPAN> and R' Eliezer as to whether that oven was Tahor or Tameh. R' Yehoshua Paskined that it was Tahor and he represented the <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1270231847_4>majority opinion</SPAN>. </FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">R' Eliezer said it was Tameh. He was so sure he was right that he held his ground against the majority. He called for a Bas Kol - a direct communication from Heaven and got one.<BR><BR>The Bas kol said he was right! God agreed with him. </FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">But R' Yehoshua stood his ground too. He stood up and said, Ein Mashgichin B’Bas Kol.' Lo BaShamyim He.' We have received the <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1270231847_5>Torah</SPAN> from Heaven and it is now on earth. We have been given the rules of Psak. <SPAN> </SPAN>Acharei Rabbim L’Hatos. We follow the majority when there is a dispute. R' Eliezer was then put into Cherem after that.</FONT>
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