<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:03 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:T613K@aol.com">T613K@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div> </div><br><div><font color="#000000" face="Arial" lang="0" size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">3. The universe is the product of intelligent design, i.e, it
was created. Exactly what steps occurred between the first moment of yesh
me'ayin, and how long those steps took, until we arrived at our present moment
-- may be the subject of debate. But surely a Torah Jew cannot deny the
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<div><font color="#000000" face="Arial" lang="0" size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><br></font><b><font color="#0000ff">--Toby
Katz<br>==========<br></font></b></font></font><br></div></font></div></blockquote></div><br clear="all">IMHO it's a matter of our limited intelligence and perhaps ignorance of what actually happened. Debates are speculative in natrue<br>
<br>We BELIEVE in the Torah narrative - in some level. [Some might posit that Sefer Yetsira is a more accurate narrative of CREATION than the one in Breishis and still be very good Jews]<br><br>No matter<br><br>AISI - What we understand as Jews is Just as Rn Katz stated, the universe is far too complex to be a random co-incidence. Deists have insisted that The CREATOR finished HIS job and left the machine to run on its own.<br>
<br>From logic w/o emunah, we can see this POV has a hava amina. OTOH, we - the Children of Israel - know from Y'tzias Mtzrayin and Mattan Torah that beyond creation there is Hashgacha, too. So Deism is not kosher for us, while it might still be Kosher for Gentiles. Maybe that's the difference between the Zachor of Shabbos in Vaychuluin Breishis - which even Gentiles must ackonowledge, and the Shamor or the V'Shamru in Ki Sissa that confirms on ongoing covenant. <br>
<br><br>-- <br>ZP<br>RabbiRichWolpoe@Gmail.com<br>see: <a href="http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/">http://nishmablog.blogspot.com/</a><br><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nishma-Minhag/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nishma-Minhag/</a><br>
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