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<DIV>Sounds like a fascinating and thought-provoking symposium.<SPAN
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<DIV><SPAN class=296223909-24032010>jr-agreed</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Right at the end there, though, you have a good example of what's wrong
with TuM. They care way too much about what is and isn't "science" and
they believe that science has an exclusive claim on "truth."<SPAN
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<DIV><SPAN class=296223909-24032010>jr-wadr, no. iiuc they believe that the
reality we percieve through the senses that hkb"h gave us to
experience his world, must be reconciled with the reality that hkb'h
revealed to us at sinai</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>[C] There was no Creator and no Creation, the universe just "is."
This is what Science believes. Is this also what TuM believes?<SPAN
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<DIV><SPAN class=296223909-24032010>jr-iiuc no, see above</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>I think that MO try to distance themselves from Intelligent Design because
they know that ID is viewed with utter disdain by the scientific community.<SPAN
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<DIV><SPAN class=296223909-24032010>jr-no,iiuc they are trying to see if ID
meets test 1 (perceived reality constraint) - if not, then can't accept just
because it would be easier to reconcile with 2</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=296223909-24032010> </SPAN> Well I have bad news for
them. Es vet zey gornisht helfen. The Scientists whose approval they
crave view them as one of the lowest forms of life, barely above the worms known
as Charedim.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><STRONG>--Toby Katz<BR>==========<BR></STRONG><SPAN
class=296223909-24032010><FONT color=#000000> jr-iiuc they crave only the
approval of hkb"h in doing what they understand to be his ratzon. I am not
mkabel the statement about "scientists" as a group</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=296223909-24032010><FONT
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=296223909-24032010><FONT color=#000000>Joel
Rich</FONT> </SPAN><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 color=#000000 PTSIZE="10"
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