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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Only women are present at the kallah's side till
the badeken, and onlt the chosson and rabbonim/family actually see her before
she is veiled for a brief moment (at least in our circles this is the way its
done and then again in our circles that is where you find a totally opaque non
see thru veil)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>During Zivug Sheni weddings if there is a large
wedding and guests etc. like a regular wedding brides in our circles do wear
detichels same as in Zibug Rishon</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please quote the Gemarra in question where we
permit people to gaze at the kallah</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>what you may consider not darkei noam and "cruel
punishment" is personal and subjective and has no basis as an argument here (not
because I dont respect your opinion chas veshalom) but because this minhag is
very old has its basis in the Maharil and therefore was and is practiced in
Ashkenaz for many generations, obviously the norms and customs in earlier
generations dont fit with some modern people's conception of what they consider
normal and pleasant</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For example many chassidic weddings are 100%
separate affairs and after the chuppah men and women are at separate halls for
the entire wedding till the mitzvah tantz at the end. Many non chassidim are
horrified by this custom and imagine it as ruining the family simcha etc. but to
us its normal</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>so what may be normal for some is strange and
horrible for others (btw my wife loved the dektich she told me afterwards that
it was great not having to see anyone and not to feel self
conscious)</FONT></DIV>
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