<html><P><However, some rabbonim wore a high type of yarmulka including I believe, RMF<BR>and R. Lifschitz (please confirm). Hence, they may have felt this was equivalent<BR>to a hat. Certainly one could not put a hat on top of this kind of<BR>yarmulka as many do for tefilla or bentching. Hecne, the story that R. Teitz brings<BR>would be a proof from R. Gifter and others but not from RMF.></P>
<P> That was a fairly standard yarmulka, at least for rabbonim. RMF did indeed wear one; my father z"l, in my youth, wore it in shul on Shabbos and yuntef.</P>
<P> However, when they davened without a tallis, they always wore hats. They did not put in on top of the yarmulka. They took the yarmulka off, as they did whenever they put on a hat. The custom of wearing a yarmulke under the hat is no more than 60 or so years old. (No, I don't know who was the first to do it.) I know that my father's brither wore his yarmulka under his hat, and when Rav Hutner saw it, he commented, "What a great idea! If the hat gets blown off by the wind, the head stays covered!" IOW, he was not accustomed to leaving it on under his hat, at least until he saw my uncle doing it.</P>
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