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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>RRW wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>And StarTrek has taught me about space warp and travel faster than
the<BR>speed of light. Since Zefram Cochrane hasn't yet been born, we
don't<BR>know the HOW yet. [Google Cochrane and space warp for more
information]<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>CM responds:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I too enjoyed science fiction. I hope that we are not
wondering into and creating Torah fiction.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>RRW wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT><BR>My 7th grade rebbe -- a Morocccan -- told us
that the Zohar talked about<BR>radios and space travel. Well Jules Verne also
had a man in the moon in<BR>the 19th century -- fired out of a cannon
IIRC.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>CM responds:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Can you cite the actual Zohar? I find that when such
nebulous and unsupported claims are made they are often baseless and sometimes
based on a fanciful interpretation of the source if one exists at all, eg., a
kol nishma misof ha'olam ad sof ha'olam and voila you have radio or if someone
could see misof ha'olam ad sof ha'olam and shazam you have the Hubble Telescope
etc.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>RRW wrote:</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT>
<DIV><BR>Da Vinci foresaw helicopters <BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>CM responds:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Because he had a very rudimentary (by our
standards) understanding of the HOW, not because he guessed the WHAT (and
irrelevant to our discussion).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>RRW wrote:</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT>
<DIV><BR>Point? Even if Hazal knew of every WHAT re: future advanced
medicine<BR>does not mean they knew any of the HOW'S.<BR><BR>So could Hazal say
-- one day man will land on Moon? Yes!<BR><BR><FONT face=Calibri>CM
responds:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>In terms of clear Torah sources, there are NONE that I
am aware of that speak of WHAT, only those that speak of the HOW. The medroshim
about </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">"Histakel be'Oraisa ubara alma" and
"behiborom" - "behaiborom" clearly discuss the blueprints of the universe, the
natural laws that govern our universe and how it operates, this is the HOW. We
have no sources for radio, telephone, airplanes, nuclear plants etc., etc., and
no reason to assume Chazal could find these directly through intensive
limud haTorah. This is not true of the HOW which does purport to be
embedded in the sodos of Torah as per the medroshim above. Could they then
perhaps have applied the HOW they could derive from the sodos haTorah and
applied them in an engineering sense to a WHAT - who knows - maybe.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>This then brings me back to the questions of my earlier
posts.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Kol Tuv</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Chaim Manaster</FONT></DIV>
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