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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>From: Michael Makovi <mikewinddale@gmail.com><BR>> Where's the
qol ishah in your example [of Egypt and Umm Kalthoum]?<BR>> Because they knew
where the songs<BR>> were from when they heard a male chazan sing
them?<BR>><BR>> R' Micha Berger<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>>> No. What I meant was, the rabbi knew EXACTLY where these tunes
came<BR>from, and far from criticizing listening to Umm Kalthoum, he
instead<BR>allowed her tunes into the synagogue!! What this means is, the
rabbi<BR>implicitly granted his heter to listen to her. If the rabbi thought
it<BR>was prohibited to listen to her, then he wouldn't let her tunes be<BR>used
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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><BR>Michael Makovi</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Umm Kalthoum was a very popular female Egyptian singer. People
listened to her on the radio. Very few ever saw her in
concert. Her radio broadcasts were probably pre-recorded or they may
have been live, but in any case there are certainly poskim who permit a woman's
voice if recorded and/or if broadcast over the radio, where one cannot see the
singer. Some even permit watching a singer on TV or in a movie, and then
there are even some who permit a live show, if the woman's voice cannot be heard
naturally but must be "articially" reproduced and amplified via a microphone in
order to be heard. Even in this order of increasing leniency, you do not
find any who simply permit kol isha, with no further qualifications.</DIV>
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<DIV>The leap from the fact that this singer's tunes were sung in shul
to the assumption that the rabbanim of Egypt OBVIOUSLY permitted kol ishah is
just such an extravagant leap that it boggles the mind.</DIV>
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<DIV>In other posts RMM has repeatedly asserted that R' Weinberg unequivocally
permitted kol ishah. I do not believe this is true. Did he permit
women to sing solo in front of men? I think he permitted women to
sing in mixed groups, such as oneg Shabbos youth groups -- not as a
performance, not in a choir, not for the pleasure of an "audience" but in a
natural setting where blended voices did not readily permit one voice to be
picked out from the others. I don't think this is such a radical
innovation as some seem to think and I don't think there is any basis for RMM's
repeated assertion that R' Weinberg held that there is no issur of kol ishah
anymore, period.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><BR></FONT><B><FONT color=#0000ff>--Toby
Katz<BR>==========<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"></B>--------------------</FONT></DIV>
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