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Nachum Eliezer Rabinovitch (RY at Maale Adumim and author of Yad Peshuta), in his Darkah Shel Torah, deals fairly comprehensively with his conception of government, based on Tanach, Chazal and the Rambam. IIRC, he finds a form of social contract theory in
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a tangent and by way of well intended advice, I know that you are fond of Rabbis Hirschenson, Uziel, Herzog and Berkovits, and that is your right. However, by constantly referencing a narrow slice of Jewish thinkers, the appeal of your arguments to others
who may not share your fondness suffers. It is like a Lubavitcher who only ever quotes the works of the Rebbes, Rav Kooknik who only quotes Rav Kook, or American Modern Orthodox type who only quotes the Rav. We have all met these types, and discussion with
them becomes tedious and futile. I am not accusing you of this and hope that you excuse the chutzpah of my criticism, but I think your argument could benefit frmo being fleshed out by other thinkers, particularly those from Chazal and Rishonim.</font></span></font><br>
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prefaced your discussion on this topic with the Talmudic rule that sevara is deoraita. Of course, sevara is sometimes used in the Talmud to derive binding halakha (e.g. Yoma 82b - who says that your blood is redder than mine?), However, your use of the
expression in this context gives the impression that you are asserting the incontrovertibility of your arguments because they are so logical! Rn. T. Katz has already taken you to task based, I think, on this (mis)understanding of your words (in a stronger
tone than I think was called for - moderators, where are you when we need you?). I am sure that this is not what you were saying, but you open the way for attacks like those by RTK by using expressions such as *sevara deoraita* out of context. </font></span></font><br>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="207113614-11012010"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="3"> It was my general impression when researching dina dmalchuta, that there were interesting parallels to popular political thought of the time and that
of Jewish commentators.</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="207113614-11012010"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="3">BTW Dov there is an imho amazing comment ( I think it was the kesef mishna but am not home) on sumak tfei where he posits that it may have been a mesorah
that retzicha is yehareg vaal yaavor and chazal just used this logic to support what they already knew was the din (I said amazing because I had always used this as the classic example of sevara-of course there are many where the gemara says - I could say
it's a pasuk or a sevara-which I never really understood why.)<br>
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KT<br>
Joel Rich</font></span></div>
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