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size=2>From: Harry Maryles <A
href="mailto:hmaryles@yahoo.com">hmaryles@yahoo.com</A><BR><BR>>> I can't
believe there is a blanket Issur to not count a C or R Jew to a Minyan.
Should'nt it depend on his individual beliefs? Not every C or R Jew believes
fully in the Kefira of the Movement's ideologues....<BR><BR><BR><BR>There are
however 2 problems. <BR><BR>1) How can we know for sure what they believe?
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<DIV>RHM mentioned another problem as his number 2 but I would have said, number
two, how can we know for sure that they are Jewish?</DIV>
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<DIV>Just today a friend told me about a rift in his family that occurred when
he was sitting shiva for his brother (who was not frum). Two of the
niftar's sons are BTs, the third is married to a Conservative convert.
When the niftar's teenaged grandson showed up at the shiva house -- the
product of the mixed marriage --- and he was the tenth man, the two BTs
hurriedly phoned another friend to come make a minyan. Since when do we
need eleven men to make a minyan? You can see how that would cause hard
feelings. The Conservative and Reform movements have created chaos and
havoc and now we Orthodox have to deal with the mess and ask each
other questions like, "Can we, should we, may we, must we, count C and R
Jews to a minyan?"</DIV>
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<DIV>We have not even dealt with the question of counting the other type
of C and R Jews who have made up part of a C or R minyan all
their lives and are suddenly excluded from O minyanim -- I refer to the
female-type Jews.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><BR></FONT><B><FONT color=#0000ff>--Toby
Katz<BR>==========<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
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