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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Prof. Y. Levine wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"> It seems clear to me that /Avraham Aveinu/
and RSRH would not agree with your approach."<BR><X-SIGSEP></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>CM:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>You are referring to
the Rashi in Beraishis perek 18:4. However I think your aggregation of Avraham
Avinu to your opinion may be premature according to most meforshim of that
parsha and even according to Rashi.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Most of the meforshim I
have seen on this parsha (Beraishis 18) do not agree with Rashi, but assert that
Avraham Avinu recognized that the "anashim" were angels and not arab ovdei avoda
zara. They discuss whether he saw the angels or a physical "malbush"/guf that
was visible and could actually eat etc. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>See Ramban shom 18:3
& 15; Rikanti shom 18:8 (if he recognized them why did he offer food etc);
Rabbeinu Bechaye shom 18:5 and Toldos Yitzchok shom 18:2 and others</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>The Kli Yokor (shom
18:4) seems to assume that he thought they MAY be arabs who might be ovdei
avoda zara but the whole point was to make them be chozer betshuva "wash" it off
their feet. So 1) They were not vadei OAZ and 2) his purpose was not just
accept them as is and honor them but to get them to leave their current path.
Although he asks this as a question on Rashi, I think that you could read Rashi
to mean what the Kli Yokor says. Rashi says {shom 18:4) "kaszvur sheheim
arvayim..." could mean he thought they may be arabs ...who bow to.... The
Panim Yafos (shom 18:4) also emphasizes that the point of Avraham Avinu was to
get them to leave idol worship [not merely to honor them as they are]. He was
not just sitting there kechom hayom to feed passers-by who were
OAZ.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Furthermore there is
the opinion of those rishonim who hold that this entire episode was but a vision
and did not actually happen - so AA was not mechabed OAZ and accept and help
them as they are.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Prof. Y. Levine
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>I simply do not
understand what you have written. Why is there no Chillul HaShem?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>CM:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Why would there be a
Chillul HaShem for not providing "proper respect" if non is due for an
OAZ?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Prof. Y. Levine
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=Calibri><FONT size=3>Who said anything
about taking comfort?</FONT> <BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>CM:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>That's how I understood
your comment. Why else would you bother to mention that fact? Sorry, if that is
not what you meant to express.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Kol Tuv</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Chaim Manaster</FONT></DIV>
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