<div>R"n Toby Katz wrote:<br>> > The article you quoted gives one very strong argument in<br>> > favor of hechsherim as opposed to lists: if a company is<br>> > under contract with a kashrus agency, it can't change the<br>
> > ingredients in its supervised products without informing<br>> > the kashrus agency.<br>><br>><br>"This can also be true where there is no direct supervision. AFAIK the LBD<br>has commercial agreements in place with producers that appear on their list<br>
that they will not change ingredients or production practices without<br>informing the LBD."</div>
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<div>That is correct, but only for the products they directly supervise( that have their hecksher) or that they have investigated and are listed as such in their publication.</div>
<div>However, there are the thousands of products that are permitted relying on the ingredient list and no concern for manufacturing methods.</div>
<div>I will list the categories.</div>
<div>Most notable to me is</div>
<div>" Kosher species of fish, canned, or in jars, in water, brine or vegetable are approved"</div>
<div>This in itself answers nearly all of the issues brought up in this discussion. Bishul Akum ha factories, keilim, suffeik ben yomo, yad soledas bo, batel b'shishim, ingredient lists, vegetable oils etc.etc.</div>
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<div>And all smoked kosher fish as long as some skin is attached.</div>
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<div>All smoked salmon, with or w/ skin.</div>
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<div>"All jams. jellies,marmalades, preserves as long as they do not contain non-kosher ingredients"</div>
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<div>Same with Yoghurts ( they list gelatine, cochineal, grape juice and certain emulsifiers an example of non-kopsher ingredients).</div>
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<div>All frozen vegetables are permitted.</div>
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<div>All plain canned vegetables in water or brine are permitted, including beans.</div>
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<div>All vegetables ( and olives) pickled in brine or lactic acid are permitted( the only exception is wine vinegar, of course)</div>
<div>(BTW, FDA and EU rules, vinegars have to be listed with their source, grain, wine etc. One exception is when it says just vinegar, the vast majority, then that is from apples.</div>
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<div>All canned fruit in sugar syrup, or fruit juice, except grape juice, permitted.</div>
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<div>Same with fruit and vegetable juices.And sodas, etc.</div>
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<div>All dried fruit, but advise looking at ingredient list to make sure if any oil release agent coating is mineral or vegetable.</div>
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<div>All dried pastas including egg, but excluding black pasta as they suggest it is dyed with squid ink (ugh!)</div>
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<div>There's more but I'm even boring myself now.!</div>
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<div>As someone said elsewhere, this is not bdi eved or lenient. It is a legitimate approach to kashrut and was the norm until the proliferation of kahrut agencies and the desire to get stricter.Whilst those who take on extra personal stringencies should be commended, it should not be at the expense of those that don't, and are in fact observing kashrut, stringently.</div>
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<div><br>Martin Brody<br></div>