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RGDubin wrote:<BR>
<<As far as I know, Ashkenazim don't depend on taste, but on bitul. Do you know the proportions?>><BR>
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I just happen to be learning YD 96. See the Shach on se'if 1 - while we don't rely on taste l'chatchila, if one has tasted the food and finds it to be free of taam, that can be relied upon. The impression I get is that there would not even be a chumra or hiddur in not eating it. <BR>
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If I know that a brand of canned vegetables has no taste of issur (because I've been eating it for the past 20 years!), can I not assume that the next can will also have no taam and, based on the above, be muttar? <BR>
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While I'm at it, I must be moche at an earlier post disrespectful to the Dayanim of London Beth Din, mipihem anu ochlim, if you'll excuse the expression. They are talmidim chachamim muflagim and not just some minority opinion whose decisions can only be relied on bediavad. I can assure you that the most charedi charedim in England will drink ordinary soft drinks from the supermarket without a hechsher, and eat Tesco own-brand cereal without a hechsher, because the LBD says that they're OK.<BR>
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I think the viscerally negative reaction by some on this list to the suggestion that not every food item needs a hechsher arises from an American and Israeli reality (i.e. widespread hechsherim) that just don't exist in the rest of the world. Other Jews just as frum as you in other countries just don't share the same viewpoint, which I think is more social than halachic. This explains the assertion made by one poster that the benighted Jews of England are bedievedniks relying on a controversial minority opinion.<BR>
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Yoreh Deah is replete with reliance on concepts such as bittul, chazaka, etc, and it is clear from the Gemara and Shu"T Rishonim quoted by the BY and nosei kelim that everyone relied on these concepts once as a matter of course. That is why I am especially surprised that RRWolpoe, of all people, seemingly endorses R. Schwab's attitude that 'we are l'chatchila yidden' with regard to hechsherim, when this is not and was not the historical minhag of Jews since the dawn of mass-produced foodstuffs.<BR>
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