RET just posted that RSZA said the same opinion as the Steipler. There are halachos that allow people to be turned over to/tried by the secular court system. Maybe there is a disconnect between the theoretical & the applied. <br>
<br> I think the general reaction of protest has 2 main factors<br>1) Historical persecution of Jews and that mindset <br>2) Governments were most of the times individuals (mostly corrupt). The idea of government by the people is relatively new.<br>
<br>Saul<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:23, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Saul.Z.Newman@kp.org">Saul.Z.Newman@kp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">WADR, the steipler's opinion must
be an extreme daas yachid, because we see the worldwide protest
for many tried or convicted for crimes ranging from
child abuse to larceny to smuggling etc . and it seems that
the only difference between whether it's secular states or israel is whether
the protestation is respectful or derisive.....<br>
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