<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Zev Sero wrote: </div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>Adam and Chava's punishment changed their nature and the whole</div><div>world's nature. As their genetic descendants, we naturally inherit<br>those changes, just as the descendants of someone who undergoes any<br>mutation, for any reason, inherit it. Kayin's punishment was to wander,<br>and after seven generations to be killed; what exactly is it that you<br>expect us to have inherited from him? </div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">You missed the whole point. I'm not speaking about genetics. Everyone</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">inherits genes. I'm speaking of the punishment specifically given to them</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">for which woman was made to suffer childbirth pain and man was made to</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">have to labor by the sweat of his brow. That's not genetics. That was the </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">penalty that was given by God for the sin of Chava and Adam. You used the</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">word "inherited." This was not an inherited trait; it was punishment. I don't</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">expect us to have "inherited" anything from Kayin. My question is why God</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">didn't give some type of punishment (which could have been anything) for </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">which we all could have suffered as we did with the Eitz hadaas. </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">My own answer to the question incidentally, is that Adam and Chava were</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">commanded by God not to eat of the fruit. Therefore, their punishment was</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">a direct disobedience and defiance of God Himself. In Kayin's case, no formal</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">commandment had yet been given by God not to murder. Hence, his punishment</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#4832FC">was personal.</font></div></div></blockquote></body></html>