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<DIV>I kept waiting for someone to say what I thought was obvious, but no one
did, so I will.</DIV>
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<DIV>You build the sukka /before/ Shabbos, and when you build it, you obviously
make an eruv between your house and your sukka -- which are either adjacent or
very close to each other. People always had an eruv around their yard or
between neighbors' houses. Indeed, in olden times and even fairly recently
in the shtetel, several families used to share one oven and one courtyard
and had an eruv to allow them to go get their cholent pot from the common
oven. The sukka was close and the eruv was common, that's my only
point. It's not so much halachic as it is sociological.</DIV>
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<DIV>In contrast, the esrog and lulav, if carried on Shabbos, might be carried
quite far, to shul or to the rabbi's house -- well outside the eruv you might
have made between your house and your sukka or between your house and your
neighbor's house.
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<DIV>I think it very likely that Chazal worried about the lulav and esrog, and
not about the sukka, simply because of the way people lived -- they responded to
the facts on the ground, you might say.</DIV>
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<DIV>I will now ask this question: what if you had an eruv between your
house and your sukka, and the eruv broke on Shabbos, say, because of a
storm? In that case, I think the halacha /would/ be like the halacha of
lulav and esrog on Shabbos, namely, Shabbos would override Sukka.
(And you would not be required to forego your Shabbos meals.)
Correct me if I'm wrong.</DIV>
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