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I totally agree with you and I don't think that R' Micha is correct that it<br>
is a breach of tznius for a man to accept an aliyah, be a shaliach<br>
tzibbur, be a rosh yeshiva and the like ("but nebach men are forced to do these<br>
unpleasant jobs because /somebody/ has to do them")<br>
RTK<br>
Well maybe I don't /totally/ agree with you because I don't think women<br>
should do these jobs. I think what is not a breach of tznius for a man<br>
/would/ be a breach of tznius for a woman. I truly believe that men and women<br>
are different and that the Torah reflects reality.<br>
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It would not be an honor to women but a denigration of their specifically<br>
womanly honor to have them do the same things on a public communal level in<br>
the synagogue that men do. It be a concession to the false C and R<br>
premise that what women do in the home is not valuable and is somehow not "real"<br>
in the same sense that what men do outside the home is valuable and real.<br>
</blockquote><div>Much of the discussion with RTK ultimately returns to fighting R and C - which, to some of us, is the fight of yesteryear. Furthermore, no one (at least here) is advocating either egalitarianism, or that what women do at home is not valuable. The question, in stead, is finding the right model to accomodate reality - that an increasing part of many women's lives are not part of the home, and there should be some religious expression of that reality. The easist (and most traditional and least revolutionary...) is that of copying men's roles - not because of egalitarianism, but that is the model available. That isn't discarding what women do in the home as not valuable...</div>
<div>Meir Shinnar</div><div><br></div></div>