<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font>And last, I still don't see how you provide any proof that the word<br>"tzeni'us" means something other than "acting betzin'ah", that<br>vehatznieah lekhes isn't dachui by the need to have leaders. You aren't<br>even arguing hutrah, you are telling me to follow a different and<br>unprovided definition of the word without a source behind the claim<br>that RHS -- or actually RYBS, since he discussed it in Nefesh haRav (pg<br>281) -- got it wrong by translating the word literally. Tzin'ah is the<br>antonym of parhesia, no?<br></div></blockquote></div>I looked up in Nefesh Harav, and he actually says something quite different, and even a ra'aya lisgtor. He argues that tzeniut means that it is incumbent upon everyone, including gdole yisrael and those involved in the public arena, to keep their private lives private - this was in the context of commenting on the appropriateness of biographies, and arguing that we learn from hashem about being hidden - and that his father, in spite of being involved publicly, remained a private person. This is actually proof that RYBS did not hold that there was an issur of zniut of being involved in the public sphere, that somehow was being nidche - in talking about the issue of zniut, he does not at all say that there was any issue in being in the public sphere - rather, that while in the public sphere, keep your private side private - a very differen t issue.<div><br></div><div>Meir Shiinar</div></body></html>