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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Zev Sero <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zev@sero.name">zev@sero.name</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Where do you get this distinction from, if the Dayon is not allowed to take your not allowed to give.<br> Find a Dayon Hogun.<br>
</blockquote><br></div></div>In general, that is not up to a person, is it? A person doesn't get to<br>pick the judge that will handle his case. Nor does he necessarily<br>get to pick the court. Remember 1) we're not just talking about batei<br>
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<div>I was talking only about (jewish) Dayonim, (in a case of BN much can be discussed see Minchas Chinuch Mitzvah 23).</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><span id=""></span>2) even in BD, a BD kavua (which would be the normal case)<br>can compel jurisdiction;</blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><span id=""></span>3) without a BD kavua generally one party has<br>the right to pick the BD, and the other party must go along with it;<br>
4) even in ZaBLA, a person signs a shtar borerut on the understandable<br>assumption that the dayanim are honest - what is he to do once he<br>realises that that is not the case? </blockquote>
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<div>IOW the question is can someone be Oiver a Lav to save himself money? or can he be Oiver a Lav to save the other side from Gezel? </div>
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<div>Kol Tuv,</div>
<div>Yitzchok Zirkind</div></div>