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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>RMB wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>The Ramban asks, were Sodom et al then not destroyed, and Lot not
saved?<BR>The Abarbanel answers that the Rambam would say that the mal'akhim
saved<BR>Lot AND they were only seen bederekh nevu'ah. Nevu'ah according to
the<BR>Rambam is seeing things going on on higher planes of reality.
Thus,<BR>Avraham and Lot only saw the mal'akhim bederekh nevu'ah because
they<BR>were actually there.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>CM asks:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To enlarge a bit on the question of the Ramban: How
does the Rambam understand the anshei s'dom asking for the visitors. One could
imagine that Lot had a mareh nevuoh, but certainly the anshei s'dom did not
have a mareh nevuoh? Furthermore, what sort of mareh was it that showed Lot
offering his daughters to the s'domites? So the S'domites never did these
things. This was all just in the mareh? (I have not seen the Rambam or the
Ramban inside.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would appreciate a hesber in the
Rambam.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also, trying to understand the Ramban who according
to you holds that a novi could misinterpret his nevuoh. This implies, that even
though Hashem wished to communicate a message to the novi, sometime he fails do
communicate as He desires due to the frailties of the novi. Would this not be
contrary to our understanding of Hashem the he is "kol yochol"? so the Ramban
needs a hesber as well.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kol Tuv</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Chaim Manaster</FONT></DIV>
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